Gospel of Thomas with Doug and Noa: Logion 29

Logion 29:  Jesus said: If the flesh came into existence because of the spirit, it is a marvel. But if the spirit (came into existence) because of the body, it is a marvel of marvels. But as for me, I wonder at this, how this great wealth made its home in this poverty.


Noa: This reminds me of a joke from American Gods last night.  I may have this backwards but if our thoughts can help make realities then did humans at some point in evolution think on the spirit and than is how it was known to be time to let us develop them?


Doug: Here Jesus’s saying is classically nondual. He is saying that it is true that the flesh came into existence because of the spirit and it is also true that the spirit came into existence because of the body.  Notice, that he speaks about “flesh” and “body,” which may not mean the same thing.  Perhaps that progression from flesh to body is important. What might it signify?


My take on it is that Jesus is talking about cosmogensis and divinity’s simultaneous transcendent and immanent natures.  Before “flesh,” or to put it differently, the “created world,” existed there was spirit.  The unmanifested spirit precedes manifested creation.  Indeed, it is a marvel that Infinity, Itself, discerned the concept of “finity” (session 13.12) and poured Itself into this concept so that the created universe emerged.  This is what is meant by God’s kenosis or self-emptying into and as manifestation. Even Paul intuited something of the like when he wrote in his letter to the Colossians (3:11), “…Christ is all and in all.”  “Christ” means “the anointed one,” and all of manifestation is indeed, the Beloved Anointed. This is what is known as the Cosmic Christ, or the “Word” (Logos!), which marked the “beginning” and “was with God and was God” (John 1:1).

Then Jesus is saying that a greater marvel is witnessed in how the body’s emergence brought spirit into existence.  If spirit was already in existence before flesh was created, then how could it “come into existence” because of the body?


Maybe it is because “body” (a third density being ) emerges from “flesh” (the world) and marks a stage in evolution– on physical, psychological, and spiritual levels–where a new arising of spirit takes place.  In other words, with the entrance of the human body in third density began the first stage when creation–which is God manifested–becomes aware of itself.  The Ra group insinuates that an advanced second density being begins to differentiate from their species group soul and this signals a readiness to emerge in the third density in order to learn the lessons of self-awareness, love and understanding, and to make the choice of polarity (session 23.3).


The Ra group says that a third density “body,” or person, is a mind-body-spirit complex, and they suggest that it is during this bandwidth of conscious awareness when “flesh,” now evolved as a body, can activate spirit.  Flesh breaks up and out in third density as a Co-Creator replete with the triune nature of a complex formed by mind, body, and spirit.

Therefore, we see that spirit pours Itself into the universe-as-flesh and it’s lights out for a few billion years  in terms of self-awareness.  In the fullness of time, flesh begins to awaken as a “some-body;” spirit on this side of the veil stirs and opens It’s eyes.  The rest of the incarnative experiences throughout the third, fourth, fifth, sixth are lessons of the multi-varied qualities of selfhood.

For all of the evolution that happens in the universe, creation’s nature is not distinct from its Creator.  How could it be in an unending unity? The wholeness of the Creator’s holy spirit is completely present everywhere you see and sense.  Everything is a portal or singularity to the universal Logos for those with the ability to see this truth.

Jesus must have been picking up on this strange apparent paradox that God’s plenum, majesty, glory, and totality is right there in front of us in what seems like ordinary things and events.  That’s the “poverty” to which Jesus is referring.  It is indeed something to marvel at when the heart goes online and one tunes into this eternal truth. Usually it leads me to laugh and to feel deep joy and profound gratefulness.



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