Conversation with Dr. Matt Segall, PhD
Audio:
Remembering Agency within Despair (A Vision) – The Building 4th Podcast
Transcript:
hey hey Doug how’s it going good can you hear me okay uh sure can
0:08yep it’s nice to see you again yeah likewise glad to connect yeah me too um
0:17well I’m really grateful for your time here and I wanted to share a few things with you and like I said earlier um give
0:23you a little bit of a presentation and that I’ve been preparing I’ve been thinking about for a while
0:30um and then wanted to maybe have a Launchpad after that as we can kind of
0:35talk about some things and I’d love to hear your thoughts about what you’ve been exploring too does that sound okay
0:43sounds great yeah you should be able to share your screen already but let me know if okay that’s not
0:56working great cool okay okay so I’m going to start the
1:04slideshow all right well the first thing I want to just lay out here is um maybe
1:13the reason why I want to connect with you and to just present this stuff is uh
1:21it’s part of my own vocation to make meaning of who I
1:28am and uh what I do so I’ve always had
1:33this really intense drive inside of me ever since I was a little kid seeking
1:38experiences that would polarize me more into this self-discovery
1:47and when I uh discovered some of the different material that I’ll be talking about they
1:54just keep uh opening up doors and one of those doors doors that was opened up to
2:01me um about it I guess two years ago was your work and I had worked with um I had
2:08studied some Whitehead in college and graduate school but it was your uh particular
2:16presentation that became a bit of a muse for me if you will to dive into
2:23Whitehead um and then Andrew Davis as well and
2:30a lot of the different process thinking Jamie Daniels and
2:36others and so as I dived into that dove into that uh as well as continuing to
2:45hone my skills as a mental health counselor with a particular vocation or
2:51desire to express myself in a certain way I always try to create a practice
2:56model to take what I’m learning and put it into practice and then try out with my clients and also in my personal life
3:05um and so that’s a bit of what I’m going to be sharing with you
3:11uh with with the emphasis on the macro
3:17all right so this is going to be taking some of the process
3:24thought especially whiteheadian thought and looking at the co like
3:30cosmogenesis looking at some of these really big um
3:36ideas and seeing if it can make sense as to what might be going on in the process
3:43of a macro concrescence here on Earth if there’s a macro
3:50concrescence inside of which many other smaller lowgrade conren are
3:57happening uh then that might be interesting to talk about and so that’s
4:02one of the reasons why I wanted I’ve been developing these thoughts for a couple of years
4:08and so anyways um hopefully by the end of this
4:15presentation and also our conversation I would like to be able to center it in on
4:21the nature of the Jesus Christ event and its effect on humanity and on
4:27the Creator as part of the Creator’s own development so I’m I’m trying to tie in a lot of different things and uh I’ll be
4:35using Concepts that I think you’re familiar with this wouldn’t be a basic conversation for people not aware of a
4:42lot of different things so um so several sources that I’m going to be drawing
4:48from my personal ideas are cathol the Catholic Christian background that I grew up in particularly with an emphasis
4:56in franciscanism um there is a channeled material that I really like and has been helpful
5:02for me and it’s called the raw material but others know it as the law of one
5:08material of course white head and processed thought and then my graduate
5:13work in clinical social work and then a masters in pastoral Ministry and I’ve been a therapist for about over 20 years
5:20so I’ve had lots of mystical experiences so all of this is my own synthesis for
5:25for its good and for its distortions so we just walk in
5:33the the Launchpad here is what I see whad doing um in process thought in fact
5:40what I see in process thought in general you might even think it might be the um the drive shaft behind process behind
5:48evolution is this idea of the law of three now I’m not I’ve not heard you
5:53particularly name that as a cosmic law but you certainly infer it in your work
6:00I think one can’t infer cannot infer it if you do in process so Cynthia bro is a
6:08um a teacher um of mine and uh a lot of
6:15people listening to this might recognize her voice but anyways she outlined these
6:20four different ideas or steps of the law of three so I’m going to read them out
6:27loud number one in every new AR ring there are three forces involved you have
6:33the affirming Force the denying force and the reconciling Force the affirming
6:39Force denying force and reconciling Force two uh the interweaving of these
6:45three forces produces a fourth in a new
6:50dimension so there there’s a new entree New Order of being number three
6:59air fing denying and reconciling are not fixed points or permanent Essence
7:07attributes but can and do shift and must be discerned
7:13situationally and four solutions to impasses or sticky
7:19points sticking points generally come by learning how to spot and mediate third
7:26Force which is present in every situation but generally hit him okay so
7:33I’ve been a student of the law three of this Cosmic law for about 15 years and I
7:38can tell you that I intentionally try to do that step four which is to help the
7:43client through the Jazz of our relationship the improvisation that’s
7:48going on there to help the the client to um uncover the hidden third force and
7:55together we Midwife that into um a new coming for them a new sense of Freedom
8:02so I’m just going to I did a little bit of um diagrams here so we have the first
8:09Force the affirming Force going in One Direction and then we have a second
8:14force uh that goes into a different direction I’m just kind of giving a
8:20visual representation so now we have a third Force the reconciling force and
8:26it’s usually hidden but if you can tap the power of that reconciling Force then
8:32there’s the new arising um just as a quick aside but it’s
8:39important I just want to throw this in here this is sort of my version in terms of the counseling and how I help with
8:45counseling this is a way that I’ve developed it so you have the affirming Force this would be status quo of
8:51somebody um maybe somebody is in a relationship that is not healthy
9:00but at the same time it’s better the devil you know than the devil you don’t you know it’s kind of hard to leave that
9:06so that would be an affirming Force status quo then there’s a denying force
9:12of let’s say this uh great desire to get
9:20out or um some some hidden
9:25Instinct that there is ambivalence here on one hand I want to stay on the other
9:31hand I don’t know how and that creates a contrast right and I know that’s a whian
9:38idea sorry about that um that’s a white heian idea it’s very important but this
9:43is also right at the heart of the law free and this contrast is the um the
9:50dynamic tension that creates the midwifing the process of
9:57potentiating the the next Dimension or order of being okay
10:07so uh it says FaceTime just quit so I don’t know if that means we’re going to be we’re okay on your side uh FaceTime
10:16is probably a different app I think we’re fine on Zoom okay coming through clear on my end okay good um so the
10:24third the law of three in terms of the uh reconciling Force here at the very
10:30Crux at the very heart of the contrast it is taken as absolute truth that the seeds of Hope
10:40are hidden in the soil of that contrast they’re hidden and um I’m really
10:46borrowing right now from this the mol man’s idea of hope I’m not sure if you’re familiar with the definition I’ve
10:53loved it and that is Hope is the anticipation of a future
10:59Joy I’ll get into Joy here in a minute um but often the people don’t
11:06really have hope but as as someone walking with them
11:11I can always hold that hope for them if they don’t but I’m trusting the cosmic
11:17law that there’s it’s the seeds of it are buried right in the soil of that contrast and so the first stage of the
11:24reconciling force is understanding that there’s a of
11:30awareness that begins with low awareness of a contrast some people aren’t even aware that there is a contrast you know
11:37this would be the idea of being in denial um and then that slowly polarizes
11:47potentiates into high a higher level of the contrast yes the contrast exists but
11:54we’re not yet moving into Consciousness I’m not yet deciding on what I’m going to do with it but I can see that there is a
12:01contrast that is into the second stage the second stage would be the spectrum of Consciousness and that ranges
12:09from the low level of Consciousness or we might call it the subconscious and
12:15then it moves all the way potentiates into conscious
12:20awareness and conscious awareness uh at the high end would be somebody who is
12:27uncomfortable with the contrast or at least sees it as the tension that they want to move forward with um and
12:36has so hope is felt they’re they’re conscious of their
12:42values the goals are clarified and there’s accountability system in place and then that just kind of opens them up
12:49to move into the next Dimension and so I’ve just kind of shown it here as a way to um use a
12:58fulcrum in then it it’s being thrown over the former order of being and now
13:06this new Consciousness actually becomes the affirming Force the status quo of
13:11the next order of being um so that would be the law of
13:16three in terms of the counseling and sort of the activation and um what I wanted to do
13:24is Pivot right now and uh talk about the
13:31um the metaphysics of the Creator all right uh in terms of the law of
13:36three and then I’ll I’ll stop and ask you how you’re resonating with this
13:44see so uh this again this metaphysics is a
13:51synthesis of a lot of different things so I’m I’m putting together what makes a
13:56lot of sense to me but it’s not just something that I’ve intuited it’s been a dialogue between me and lots
14:02of sources so we have this uncreated light we have a catalyst a
14:09spark and with that we have the onset of this infinite
14:15potential infinite potential but finite actual there’s no actual uh expression
14:22it’s just infinite potential this leads into this Coincidence of opposites
14:30and The Coincidence of op the new arising of The Coincidence of opposites would be the dynamic of
14:37potentiation this will make sense in just a minute but I I wanted to get a sense of how I’m thinking of um a
14:44cosmogenesis here so then we have um oops I’m
14:52sorry I need to move the we don’t want to see this part okay
14:58so we have the um Dynamic of potentiation is up here as the affirming
15:05force and this is an aware principle so
15:10there’s a sense of being aware but there’s no consciousness
15:16yet this Consciousness begins to
15:21potentiate I’m sorry awareness begins to potentiate into
15:27Consciousness okay so the law one talks about the
15:33Creator as the focusing principle The Creator is intelligent
15:40infinity and it is a an actual Dynamic
15:46principle that creates focus and order out of
15:52chaos so it is um the the idea of contrast creating tension
16:00and and is the flow and power behind Focus that is the
16:06creator then the law of one talks
16:11about when conscious when awareness comes to a potentiated level that is
16:19consciousness and the law of one calls this conscious light potentiated light and is known as
16:26intelligent energy so intelligent energy is potentiated light uh called love this is where this
16:34is love so we have light love logos law of one equates love with
16:44logos and it is the creative principle so we have the focusing
16:49principle and then we have the creative principle and the creative
16:57principle then seeks to experience itself and there’s a
17:05potentiation of experiencing
17:10itself as unity in other words awareness and Consciousness come together with
17:17with a desire to experience itself the first creation is the sense
17:22of an identity called Unity that I am identity as Dynamic Unity ident is is
17:29not uh is not a substance but rather substance as process or being as as
17:38becoming yeah um and this is the joy principle this idea of unity connected
17:46the it’s a feeling uh so we have awareness Consciousness and
17:52feeling uh as Primal so here here we have a the I am
17:58is the IDE identity as Dynamic unit again I the I am is identity as
18:06Dynamic Unity so the last thing I’ll say about the
18:14Creator is the creator is the process of
18:20identity experiencing Joy so
18:26identity is awareness seeking Consciousness that is
18:31identity experiencing is consciousness seeking nosis nosis with the idea of
18:37lived experiential reality like my lived experience my idea of that I know
18:42through experience so experience is consciousness seeking nosis and finally
18:49Joy is
18:54nosis seeking Joy okay so it’s just well I I meant to say nosis seeking
19:01convergence that’s what I meant to say nosis seeking completion that’s Joy all right
19:09so we have identity experiencing Joy is a verb is a noun is
19:20the power behind the energy behind creation if you will and in the
19:29process of the Creator creating and experiencing itself it discovers along
19:38the way uh these enduring
19:44objects that structure more development now I know that Whitehead was cautious
19:51about uh labeling metaphysical enduring objects is that right I I think he he uh
19:59he wanted to say that there might be something but he wasn’t quite sure uh well he would distinguish
20:05between enduring objects and eternal objects I meant Eternal objects I’m sorry Eternal objects yeah this is this
20:12is what I meant yeah Eternal objects are more of a metaphysical category enduring
20:17objects are more empirical that that’s most of what we see around us rocks plants animals ourselves our own bodies
20:24yeah the the law of one would lean into
20:30the Eternal object first and foremost as being the dynamic process of identity
20:35seeking Joy it’s it’s just something that has to be there in order for everything to evolve um and then
20:42secondly that there’s there’s been a process of dis of self-discovery that
20:50um has become metaphysical Eternal
20:56objects that was the process of experiencing be becoming enduring
21:04objects that sheltered experience and then had become so pivotal to the Creator’s own uh Advance creative
21:11advance that they essentially became metaphysical Eternal objects and slash
21:18like a hybrid between Eternal objects and enduring objects
21:23yeah that would be the actual structure of Consciousness evolution
21:29as as emerging uh from a denser
21:36body to a that contain every a body would contain it’d be very dense
21:44materially but very UND Den uh in terms of
21:52Consciousness so you begin with like a first tier a first density rocks and
21:59things like this a second tier would be plants and animal life the third tier
22:06would be uh creation come to self-awareness and so that Earth is a
22:12third density planet where we are made up of a material world material
22:19materiality um and inside of us our capacity to uh begin to gain
22:26Consciousness on the nature of our own
22:32becoming and also the nature of the becoming of the larger macro this this
22:37really begins in Earnest in third density um and so
22:44I’ll conclude this part I’m sorry this is a little bit longer than I wanted it to be but
22:51the the big contrast that has happened
22:58on Earth is that as part of the Creator’s own
23:05process of becoming it discerned a concept that in third density a veil of
23:12forgetting could be placed
23:19between basically God emerging in third density as a third density being without
23:25knowing it is God and without knowing is in Union with everything
23:31else so this veil of forgetting actually becomes it’s a it’s
23:37incredible um novel concept because it actually allows uh in the intensification of
23:44experience like nothing else that had been applied before in the experiment of
23:51of uh self- nosis the Creator’s nosis because this
23:57intensification of self-awareness plus the inability to know self except
24:06through experience and developing
24:12contrasts um creates a new kind of polarity that didn’t exist before Rock
24:19calls this um well I guess I’m calling it ethical
24:25polarity where you have a positive polarity service to others moving into
24:30wholeness and a negative polarity service to self emphasizing domination
24:37and manipulation these two polarities actually
24:42create work in intensity and it’s a new way of um intensifying the third density
24:51experience for further Evolution and Earth is a unique uh
25:00Cosmic experience at least maybe in this galaxy um
25:07with this contrast between the planet having moved into its an
25:15environmental uh energetics of fourth density which is love and understanding
25:22it’s the sense of unitive Consciousness so in in a tier higher
25:27than ours um the Earth has moved into sort of a cosmic
25:35environment where uh is proper it’d be like moving from third grade to fourth grade where
25:42it would be proper to um start learning the lessons of fourth
25:48density but the Earth itself cannot begin a fourth density
25:56experience until and unless Humanity as a single
26:03organism uh achieves some threshold of Consciousness where it chooses
26:10to live the path of
26:16wholeness and so this contrast like a rubber band
26:22where the Earth has moved the body of the Earth has moved into fourth density consciousness in terms of like a bath
26:29I’m sorry not Consciousness but environment and its stuckness of the
26:35third density Collective Humanity being completely stuck right here this creates
26:42this contrast this tension and it’s precisely in this
26:48tension right here you and I feel it maybe feel as like it’s going crazy out
26:54here you know everybody is um well everybody’s actually being invited
27:00metaphysically to look at themselves in the mirror and ask what do we want individually and what do we want as a as
27:06a collective but this um tension right here actually
27:12creates the very novel opportunity
27:17for an a higher order of being the Lo a
27:23logos to actually come face to face
27:29inside of third density’s Earth’s third density’s
27:36Quagmire and create something new here that would help
27:43Humanity move past its Collective bellicosity but also to give the Creator
27:51as the subl logos the Sun an experience that it didn’t have before
27:56which is to come inside to
28:02decend inside at a conscious level and come face to face with
28:09itself at in third you know so you have the logos face to face with her third density entity all right so I’m I’m
28:16sorry I can I can realize that I’m talking uh some terms that may not be um
28:23understand you may not be familiar with these but could I ask you to weigh in on
28:28anything you’ve heard so far yeah thank you Doug very very rich
28:35um Dynamic you’re you’re describing and some of the terms are unfamiliar to me
28:40but um I think you know there’s a lot of resonance and overlap in some of these
28:47esoteric uh systems and so I’m not as familiar with the raw material but
28:53um the idea of Earth moving through different phases of of density and the
28:58Ro of the human being in that uh process as tensions are increased uh resonates
29:05with you know what I’ve read in in Steiner and anthroposophy and they’re they’re similar um patterns described
29:13but you know to think about this in in Whitehead’s terms and as you were describing earlier the macro
29:19concrescence of the earth um your your scheme of thinking of these
29:26two opposing forces that find this uh
29:31hidden Unity is very much like the process of con crescence as you know and
29:36this process as whad describes it occurs at every scale uh and so it’s Quantum
29:43scale at the level of our cells our organism but the Earth as a whole is a
29:51process of concrescence and and in multiple time scales too
29:56right so the Earth through um its entire
30:02however long it it lasts you know billions of years through its whole history is a process of conings and
30:09these tensions build so that it can be transformed into something new at the
30:15end of of its evolutionary process and so you know in Whitehead’s terms
30:23um the affirmation um the original affirmation
30:29say is very much like the physical pole and he describes the physical pole as conformal it’s saying yes to what came
30:36before so it’s just sort of repeating what came before and the mental pole is something like the no it’s saying well
30:42here are the Alternatives um and then the satisfaction is is the
30:49reconciliation of this tension that gives rise to something new that hadn’t existed before it wasn’t what was being
30:55repeated in the past something new has been introduced by mental pole but some reconciliation has been achieved
31:02between the original yes the no that came in response to it and then you know
31:08something new comes out of that and so this trinitarian process or this law of three in your terms um to produce a
31:15fourth that is in some kind of new dimension is um to me it’s and you know probably
31:22this is intentional but maybe you discovered the convergence here it’s it’s exactly
31:28Whitehead’s process of concrescence um but it’s it’s this this trinitarian
31:34creative process obviously is deep it goes it’s been in
31:39the um not just Western but back into the viic Traditions you know for
31:44thousands of years this this basic principle which is um cyclical but also
31:51creative and this Trinity principle is at work everywhere um
31:58in the whole history of the Earth in uh every organ system of our body and every
32:06species you know plant and animal the Trinity is at work finding this this balance and this reconciliation of
32:14um of these opposing these seemingly opposed forces and you know what you’re describing I think is a new it’s a new
32:21creation narrative and a new understanding of um how
32:30creation happens that’s evolutionary rather than
32:35um well not rather than but it’s you know neoplatonists would have a the idea
32:41of amination um some Christians insist on an idea of
32:47creation from nothing ctio niilo and I think what you’re proposing here is is
32:54it’s not necessarily in Conflict but it it moves the DI it forward a bit I mean
32:59the whole idea of conflict is what’s crucial here right because in an evolutionary understanding of of the
33:05creative process uh what’s always happening is conflicts are being transformed into contrasts that bring
33:11forth something novel and so it’s a kind of continuous creation just let me just insert
33:18something right there because you just said something what I want to say there is um
33:26conflict is something we feel so especially when I’m with a a client or
33:31in my own life I feel a conflict and in that moment there are the seeds of Hope for a
33:40future Joy which would be in the concrescence the the the achievement of
33:47satisfaction but also in that moment is the shadow side of hope so if hope is
33:55something buried in the soil of the conflict and then has a Taos towards a
34:03future experience of Joy also are the seeds of
34:10anxiety um which has a Taos towards an anticipation of a future
34:17Terror and so what one of the things that I try to do right there is when I I
34:23acknowledge a person is going through a conflict and we explore all of that but
34:29to use your great analogy right there of how do we see a conflict and maybe uh
34:36expand metanoia ourselves to seeing conflict as contrast that is part of the
34:42Sacred becoming well then I can focus in on the
34:48seeds of anxiety that we’re feeling uh for a future terror is to slowly move
34:55them into uh seeing the other side of that which is the seeds of Hope moving
35:00towards and anticipating a future joy and that is concominant with um seeing
35:08what we’re in as a conflict and then potentiating that that’s idea of a conflict into um and
35:17what it is actually is a contrast yeah so I just wanted to share that that that would be an a clinical application of
35:23what you’re saying and you know I’m I’m eager to to have you um move forward with what
35:31you’re sharing to to understand how you feel it connects to uh the Christ event but um you know it seems to me that not
35:40not to prefigure too much of what you might say but um that this this idea that
35:49the the Creator would enter into the creation or that the the the Divine
35:54would uh incarnate in and become human and die is quite a inversion it’s quite
36:02a heightening of the contrast um that I think sets up the
36:09human community and there are more of us on the planet than have ever existed at this at once before uh it it heightens
36:17the pressure for us to transform um because it’s like the
36:23Divine has already in some sense the seed for that
36:28future uh satisfaction of of what the whole human Community is here to do what
36:35we’re here to achieve the seeds already been planted and there’s no turning back but we’re not
36:41all aware or conscious of of that trajectory and and so there’s still you
36:48know it’s still the opposing the opposing forces are meeting and that tension is building and maybe you know
36:54you had those two arrows with the awareness first and then consciousness as the tension increases and I feel like
37:00um yeah the Catapult hasn’t been launched yet but the tension is definitely still some people don’t feel the tension
37:07but now we’re starting to feel the tension and people are becoming more aware of the tension but not yet uh
37:14beginning the Consciousness whereas other people are feeling super conscious of the tension and then so the real
37:20issues are are the the conflicts between those who don’t feel the conflict or the
37:26contrast to those who feel it or aware of it but haven’t begun to be conscious of it from those who are conscious of it
37:33and want to do something so it’s kind of like and all of this exists in one giant
37:39United organism that is unconscious of its Unity that we’re moving into you know
37:47Consciousness so there’s there’s really one human being yeah I think what did the the the Jewish faith was it the Adam
37:55Catan yeah yeah yeah exactly um but you know that there are so many
38:03human beings on the planet today it it’s like that increases the tension yeah of
38:08that sort of the opposite um the opposite direction to the the
38:14understanding of human Unity um but that that just makes
38:19the sort of the potency of that the anthropos if you want or the Adam kadon
38:25the the realization of that um that harmonization or that satisfaction
38:30is finally achieved that the human Community became so uh fragmented and uh
38:36particularized into eight billion people on the planet right now I feel like it
38:42only makes the eventual reunification that much more joyous when we recollect
38:48that fact and we have the hope these are the seeds of Hope in this contrast of
38:54that future consummation you know of that future future Omega point the Omega
38:59point that I would Nuance tar de shardan where he talks about there’s an Omega point of of all of let’s say history um
39:09I I think he didn’t have to go so macro with it because uh really I think he’s
39:15talking about concrescence and there’s as you said there’s different orders of concrescence different tiers I think
39:21we’re in a concrescence right now so let do I’m going to continue for the next
39:27few minutes I know you have a hard stop um at at at your time but we can um if
39:34if this is interesting we can pick it up at a different time but what I want to share
39:40is uh the way I try to understand this is that instead of looking at the
39:45humanity as a single entity right now and talk about our Evolution I want to
39:51move up one more tier and talk about our if you will local Lo logos
39:59Evolution so the law of one material would posit that every Galaxy is a
40:08logos is is its own um focusing creative
40:14principle Joy Dynamic that desires to
40:20express itself and it does so um
40:27in unique ways and then inside of that body that
40:34Galactic logos there are going to be sub logo so this is the next order down and
40:41these are not all the stars but certain Stars where uh
40:47natural um movements of uh the physical
40:53chaos start to coales and become um have order and then that order starts
41:02to potentiate into a crescendo where Consciousness comes and the
41:07consciousness of that subl logos um the way that subl logos
41:13develops is actually subdividing into subub logo and then it’s the experience
41:20of the subub looy that actually give the subl logos its experience of itself in
41:27Consciousness not awareness awareness is already complete Unity with all but in terms of Consciousness it is precisely
41:34the gal of the subub logoi interacting with itself becomes the consciousness of the
41:42subl logos and so as a development pattern of
41:47developing in terms of the higher order than us but the lower order than a galactic which is the subl Logos level
41:54that’s our sun and the solar system is its
41:59body then uh as part of that
42:05development and this is all this is speculation but this is how I’m trying to put a bunch of stuff together is as
42:12part of that development is it actually at some point the whole concrescence of
42:18itself will achieve a certain necessity for um for it to have the experience of
42:27coming into its own Sub sub level because it’s a subl logos coming into
42:34its own Sub sub level in its fullness in its
42:39plenum and then face to face with its self so there’s a a higher tier coming
42:47into a lower tier it be like you having complete and total fullness of Matt
42:53matness and then coming in and connecting inside of one your cells Matt being fully enlightened as
43:00Matt coming face to face with a cancer cell and then maybe teaching the cancer
43:06cell how to uh remember what it is or something along those lines um in order for there to be a
43:14portal if you will in order for this tier two to come into tier three if if I
43:20could put it that way the sub coming into subub in order for that to happen
43:27um at the level of the Sub sub area that’s us there has to be a lot of
43:34different concrescent side cres side coming together in order to create a
43:41singularity to which this could come inside okay and that
43:47Singularity um would be the following at least this is my
43:53speculation so we have the develop one ingredient is the subl logos or the sun
43:59logos development that’s the developmental process we also have a
44:06volunteer okay so the entity known to us is
44:11Jesus according to the raw material now this is no one has to really believe
44:16this this is just kind of fun we’re having fun here but um there there was a
44:22need to have uh you could call it maybe a bodic SATA s person somebody with a
44:28vocation of a bodhak that has achieved that had achieved Enlightenment elsewhere in the
44:35Galaxy because there’s all kinds of ways to understand UFOs and aliens and I’ve done a lot of work on this um but you
44:43have a a being who volunteers to Incarnate as a third
44:49density entity and are on earth so you have to have somebody who wants to do
44:54that you also have to have this idea of the cultural Runway so this the the
45:00whole uh relationship the IOU relationship between the Jewish people
45:07and um the subl logos this dance of a of a continue U revelation of relationship
45:16a chosenness uh not chosenness as in their only special but chosenness as kind of a
45:22Runway if you will that is embedded inside a historical cultural
45:28um uh uh events that becomes a Zeitgeist
45:34you know it be everything is oriented in all the thought forms are developed so that there could be a kind of Crescendo
45:42in the fullness of time all right so that’s the cultural Runway and then you’ve got as I said earlier a contrast
45:50between the cosmic green ray so the Earth has moving the the subl logos
45:57as the solar system has moved inside the galactic logos’s body in an
46:04area where it’s green ray where where uh in terms of the chakras it is love and
46:09understanding it is this new freshness this new openness that’s here okay so
46:16the Earth is in here Humanity’s Consciousness is still trying to figure out the orange Ray orange Ray in terms
46:23of the chakra system is who are you what is your identity and the orange Ray is
46:28actually a dance between um I am one which is red and I am many which is
46:34yellow so this negotiation is an emergence that’s the sense of self is a
46:39dance an emergence of I am one and many that’s that polarity and we still
46:45haven’t gotten there yet mostly individually but of course collectively so this anchor the
46:54stuckness Plus Earth moving into the green ray creates this incredible
47:01tension and that is actually part of the plan that’s part of the development of the
47:06logos so therefore all of these things come together to create the capacity for
47:12the logos the sub I’m sorry the subl logos to come in face to
47:18face and also for there to be to be
47:24given planted inside uh thought form planted exactly in the
47:32epicenter of the Log Jam The Quagmire that we have created which I call the
47:38great bellicosity PL form its competition taken to uh its competition
47:45warped and cancerized to a a Warfare posturing it’s competition taken to
47:52Warfare posturing whose energetics is scapegoating uh and that’s a great way
47:57to not develop the orange Ray and so this tension on us we feel
48:05this great need to look in the mirror and figure it
48:10out and the only way to relieve the law of one says the only way to uh
48:17dispel or or the reconcile the The Log Jam to dispel the energy of bellicosity
48:25is forgiveness and forgiveness is simply I am recognizing that I am God in the
48:31process of becoming God who has a pace and I’m recognizing
48:37you are God in the process of becoming God and it’s this desire to commune
48:43together I am before I I would a person in that unit
48:51of Consciousness would be able to see the other with the eyes of forbearance
48:56even as the other is um living out their
49:03the bellicosity and it not even knowing okay
49:08now the seeds of forgiveness are planted right there at the epicenter of the
49:14bellicosity thought form which is at the epicenter of the human
49:19person it’s a thought form we have created and then that thought form becomes so strong and cient that it
49:26actually starts to create us it’s like an AI that starts to then you know create us until we become its creators
49:34and and then it desires to create more through us the energy that keeps it
49:40intensifying so you have this sort of like um tourus field that there’s no
49:45Escape you know the Hotel California kind of thing you can check in but you can never leave and that’s not a problem
49:53at the level of the sun logos because that’s exactly the conditions in terms of the sub con subl logos concrescence
50:02to create that tension so that it could come to face to face and Humanity could come face to
50:09face and then enter into uh the energetics of the Jesus
50:17Christ event which becomes a thought form develops by these ingredients the
50:23subl logos develop the volunteer the cultural Runway and this Cosmic uh uh
50:29conflict this becomes a thought form of forgiveness Mercy love compassion all of this and you can put it on put on the
50:36mind of Christ and then Christ comes inside you and it’s the fullness the
50:42plenum of the logos that uh is coming inside the third
50:49density body at our invitation and it’s a constant um ritual of kosis that one has
50:56to have in order like an adapt level to both be myself and to allow that which
51:02is transcendent to me to Incarnate in me and work through me like that that isn’t
51:07that is itself a dance a paracesis but doing so actually raises up the entire
51:14vibrator you know vibrational bandwidth the Consciousness bandwidth of third density to move into fourth density and
51:22that’s that consummation the the seeds of the ecasia have been planted and are are in the
51:29moment of concussing into a convergence how how does this
51:36sound sorry I may have lost you I may not be speaking very clearly I mean I’m
51:44following uh a lot of it and I think this idea of the you know the logos uh
51:50or the sub logos the sun logos needing um this cultural Runway um
51:57and then the volunteer yeah I I I think that’s um a really rich way of Rich way
52:04of describing this process and you know what’s happening now with this bellicosity that’s sort of in that we’re
52:10stuck in this feedback loop uh is that what what in initially was a cultural
52:15Runway and this this sort of birth of both a sense of
52:21um the universality of something which was
52:26initially particular and I think that’s that’s part of what happens when um the
52:34religion of the ancient Israelites meets the philosophy of the ancient Greeks you get this sense of oh what what was
52:41special in this relationship between Yahweh and the Jews um after the Christ event starts to
52:48mix more and more with this Greek sense of logos and the sense of the universality of this Revelation this is
52:54not just for you this is for every everyone um and that’s something that as
53:00as I hear you’re describing it we’re still very much struggling with the the tension
53:05between uh being special and being
53:11um Universal and uh and I you know this
53:16is this is I don’t mean to um single out [Music]
53:21um Judaism or Jewish people now certainly but there is a sense in which culture the cultural runways which have
53:30been part of the evolution of Consciousness that has prepared um Humanity
53:36for the Christ event uh the cultural Runway has become something more like a
53:41runaway Culture by which I mean we’re we’re locked into these identities that are
53:47fabricated the sense the sense of um oh I’m a this kind of person and you’re a
53:52that kind of person and that that small sense of ident identity smaller sense of identity is is is Ultimate and is that’s
54:01blocking that’s blocking the transformation that needs to occur and
54:07the pressure is building and these geopolitical conflicts are um you know
54:13it’s hard to say if you know we look back decades from now and think oh it
54:18already started it’s because right you know from where you and I sit it’s like okay we’re not credit we’re not at War
54:24yet we’re we’re maybe we can avoid this but on the other hand for a lot of people around the world now already no
54:29it’s started like there’s a great conflagration that’s um underway and we’ve seen a couple of those last
54:35century and um we certainly have even more Firepower
54:42now if another world war were to break out that things would be would be bad news so that seems to me to be a
54:48function of runaway culture or you could say nationalism um right where these smaller
54:54senses of identity are block talking the realization that you’re talking about
55:00and it’s you know the convergence of these different factors um in some sense the Deeds already
55:06been accomplished but only uh in heaven as it were like yeah
55:14and I I know you need to end but I just want to say that um the the point of the
55:19Jesus Christ event for our side let’s say would be to plant the seeds of
55:25consciousness and then for Humanity then to choose to
55:31enact to water those seeds and enact that those seeds so that has to be something that’s organic here uh and
55:41maybe the next conversation if you’re interested um we could have is uh I have
55:48a I’ve developed this program called the ships approach which is precisely how to
55:54um be the Mac the micro person that creates some of this loosening of the
56:01bellicosity but I I’d be very interested in hearing how you would understand a
56:06practice of whiteheadian thought or processed thought um to bring it to the level of unlock using philosophy or um
56:15to un help people unlock the cult The Runaway culture and get back into a
56:21desire an orientation towards this concrescent um satisfaction you know that we’re
56:28gonna be moving to anyways but we have to do that too we have to it’s now it’s
56:33us yeah yeah I think it’s both a move to the macrocosm and a move deeper into our
56:39IND each of our individuality like yeah exactly uh you know away from this
56:45confusing middle space of these Collective identities that are yeah increasingly fabricated I don’t mean to
56:52be overly dismissive of um you know the importance of culture in people’s lives
56:57but I think if we lose the larger Cosmic process that we are participants in and if we lose our own unique individual
57:04contribution as spirits to that process and we get stuck we get stuck in the middle we’re not you know we got to hold
57:11the tension between the extremes to find the passage way through that’s right yeah so yeah I mean this is this is
57:19uh very interesting and important conversation and I think translating some of your Insight from
57:27the uh you know the materials you’re working with and and uh into um not only
57:34into Whitehead but into some other esoteric streams that I’ve been working with would be of great interest to me
57:40because um that kind of translation work I think is important for making this all
57:46more accessible um you know so that that Consciousness can can spread um because
57:53there’s so many you know uh whether it’s through channeling or
57:59through Clairvoyance or through deep speculative philosophy um different
58:04perspectives that have been um achieved and articulated but unless we can build
58:11the bridges and translate between them I think it remains too obscure for people to for it to actually be of benefit to
58:17most people so these types of conversations are right there yeah yeah
58:23well thank you I’ll be in touch we can connect some more and maybe maybe come up with another time to connect sounds
58:28good yeah uh Summer’s pretty pretty open so we can make that happen sooner than later okay and I’m also attending the
58:36class you’ll be doing I think it’s this starting this Wednesday oh are you great oh wonderful that’ll be fun so I’ll be
58:42excited awesome all right Doug well I’ll see you in a few days then thank you Matt really appreciate your work take
58:47care likewise take care Doug
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