Process Proceeds Substance: Consciousness as the crowning jewel of eternal “withness”

Process Proceeds Substance: Consciousness as the crowning jewel of eternal “withness”

by Doug Esse

The following is my response to a friend and fellow spiritual seeker who reacted to something I had said in my interview on BATGAP with Rick Archer. Warning for readers who prefer (as I do, actually) clearer and simpler prose. My bottomline point, in case you’d rather just skip my response, is that I am arguing for a kind of relative-absolutist lens to think about things such as awareness, consciousness, being, and becoming.  Becoming begets being, as it were.


Friend: Speaking of God. In the video, you mentioned a popular understanding of why Creation/God created, and it is to experience Itself through our eyes and ears and thus have the experience of learning new things and thus growing in stature. This implies that the purpose in being created is to serve as God’s eyes and ears. I always had a problem with this understanding. To me, God is so incomprehensible that to believe God needs us in order to grow diminishes the nature of God. Why can’t God be everything, know everything, be everywhere, be all powerful and at the same time experience everything we experience, without the caveat that God needs these experiences? So then, what does God need us for? God can’t have a relationship without another party. God needs us for relationship. So God created creation in order to experience relationship. God knows what relationship is, but to experience it, engage in it, there has to be another party. And underlining that relationship is a Love that is totally unconditional and incomprehensible.

3 thoughts on “Process Proceeds Substance: Consciousness as the crowning jewel of eternal “withness”

  1. I Loved reading this.
    I think that God- as an “object” in my mind… is mostly the “Who”.
    Meaning “he” is the principle of True identity of all things.
    This “who”- has intrinsic in it- also a “why” to the “what”.
    Meaning- god is creative by nature, this mysterious i-dentity, which is beyond all seeming identities, is creative, just because it is. That’s the Why… isn’t it?
    And the What…. well… it is the juicy illusion naturally arising from that.
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    I’m also reminded of a sentence that came up for me- and still feels true:
    “Life- is not worth it- But you have to experience it, to Know it”.

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    1. Thank you so much for your lovely comment. I’m glad that what I wrote comes through to you and inspires you to connect with your own sense of wholeness. I also lead with the who of God before the what in the how. This is my personal experience, and I’m sure it is informed by, the theist approach of my mystical Christian background. For me, every moment is an exchange between persons.

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      1. I seem to be “working” on that…
        (Every moment an exchange between persons)…
        My social long standing difficulties, as well as my loneliness-anxiety, seem to be catalyst to that end- that are both “ruthless” & “efficient”.

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